Brutalities: Exercise, Extremity, and Love, with Margo Steines | Flourishing After Addiction #30
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In the latest episode of the Flourishing After Addiction podcast, I am thrilled to be exploring the intricate relationships between addiction, recovery, pain, and embodiment with Margo Steines, a writer and person in recovery with a deep understanding of these themes.
Margo Steines holds an MFA in nonfiction writing from the University of Arizona and serves as a faculty member in their acclaimed writing program. Her work, including her memoir-in-essays "Brutalities: A Love Story," offers a truly unique view into diverse experiences of addiction, including substance problems, self-harm, risky sex, eating disorder, and what is unquestionably the most captivating literary portrayal of exercise addiction I have ever read.
I was so happy to encounter Brutalities a short while ago. It’s a bold exploration of intensity, extremity, and physicality. It’s a cautionary tale of the thin line between discipline and compulsion. In the end, it’s an inspiring story of one person’s path toward a more balanced and healthy embodiment, including the impossible task of becoming a parent.
If that weren’t enough, we also talk about relationships, orthorexia, chronic illness, sex, sex work, and money. Margo walks us through her current recovery practices and the edges she’s navigating today. Finally, of course, we talk craft, including writing from and about pain.
Margo Steines holds an MFA in nonfiction writing from the University of Arizona, where she is faculty in the Writing Program. Her work was named Notable in Best American Essays and has appeared in The Sun, Slate, Brevity, Off Assignment, The New York Times (Modern Love), the anthology Letter to a Stranger, and elsewhere. She is the author of the memoir-in-essays Brutalities. Margo is a born-and-raised New Yorker, a journeyman ironworker, and serves as mom to a small person. She is also a private creative coach and writing class facilitator. She can be found at her website, Twitter, and Instagram.
In this episode:
-her book: Brutalities
-Margo’s “Write your story” class
-Margo’s other classes
-Leslie Jamison
-Marya Hornbacher
-Jerry Stahl
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I really enjoyed this interview and am looking forward to checking out the book. Steines has one of those stories that makes you question the utility of the word "addiction." I'm not a psychiatrist, but a lot of what she describes sounds closer to what I understand to be Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder. Thus I was really struck by your use of the term "Orthorexia." When I google that, it's all about food, but it sounded like you were using it in a more general sense, which seems more akin to OCD (again, from a total layman's understanding of that disorder). Though very interesting that for Steines the community aspects of 12-step were still so valuable. It made me wonder if community-based programs like AA also work for people with OCD.
Interesting stuff. Thank you.